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Poster: snow_and_rain Date: Jul 20, 2012 9:51am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: the dark knight

Oh sorry, my bad. Guns are awesome! Honestly, if I were there I'd have probably preferred to just give those guys my wallet and not see a firefight break out. Those patrons are lucky the perps were too scared to return fire.

Anyway, if lax gun laws are so great, how come place like Colorado and Arizona seem to have all these mass shootings?

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Poster: Mandojammer Date: Jul 20, 2012 10:01am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: the dark knight

Wonder how things might have turned out if Mr. Williams lived in Aurora, CO instead of Ocala, FL?

We clearly have vastly differing views on gun ownership.

Have an nice day and a great weekend.

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Poster: user unknown Date: Jul 20, 2012 11:58am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: the dark knight

Gun ownership may(or may not...depending on POV)be a Constitutional right.

Guns are tools that in the right hands can be very beneficial and in the wrong hands can be a devastating instrument of destruction and mayhem.

I support intelligent gun control, but firmly believe that "if guns are outlawed only outlaws will have guns"(assuming that all legitimate gun owners fall in line with the ban...that ain't gonna happen).

I have been on "the wrong end of a gun" a couple of times. Luckily the ones on the "right end" were more interested in intimidation than in physical mayhem. And honestly it is intimidating, especially to a high school student.

The "Saturday Night Special" wasn't nearly as intimidating as the .44. I told the guy with the "pea shooter", "Shoot me if yer gonna". But looking down the barrel of a .44, with 4 visible rounds in the cylinder might just be the most intimidating thing I've ever seen. That .44 might as well have been a 40 mm.

Guns don't kill people, people kill people with guns.

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Jul 20, 2012 11:21pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: the dark knight

If guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns.

If guns are freely available, only outlaws will STILL be the main ones with guns, because they're the main ones who WANT to carry them. (Tools of the trade, doncha know. Whereas the rest of us would just go about our business, generally not packing a semi-automatic.)

Sure, there'd be a few others, too. Occasionally they'd even be trained, like Mando, who I'd want on my side in such a situation for sure.

But then there'd be the others. The guys who plink at beer cans and think they should "take out" the robber in the movie theater/coffee shop/7-11 but actually hit a passerby because, whoops, it's harder than it looks. The drunks who are sick of their wife's lip. The kids of the beer-can plinkers who think the guns are cool. Some 70-year-old guys who think they're as good marksmen as the guy in Ocala but have lost a few steps and, whoops, the old eyesight isn't what it used to be and that lady WAS close to the gunman ...

Sorry. I'll pass.

My husband has been on the wrong side of a gun, too. It's scary. I don't see how the situation would have been better if someone nearby had been packing heat.

Of course, I do believe in the freedom to form a well-armed militia to defend against Indian attacks. And the right to shoot some deer for dinner. Particularly if they're in league with the Indians and attacking your fort.




This post was modified by AltheaRose on 2012-07-21 06:21:33

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Poster: user unknown Date: Jul 21, 2012 5:20am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: the dark knight

"If guns are freely available, only outlaws will STILL be the main ones with guns, because they're the main ones who WANT to carry them."

You've never been "down south" huh? There's a shotgun or rifle in 65% of the pickup trucks...rear window gun rack a la Easy Rider.

That being said, I agree with you. "Packing heat" in either of my gun encounters would've ended ugly.

And if someone with me is "strapped", I sincerely hope they have Mando's level of training. "Friendly Fire"(an oxymoron) and "Collateral Damage" are situations I'd just as soon avoid.

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Jul 21, 2012 5:40am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: the dark knight

Really? That many guns? Sounds like a lovely place. But not concealed in movie theaters, I hope. Or under the jacket at a coffeeshop.

I think Mando's level of training is extremely unusual. A world of pistol-packing vigilantes at shopping malls?

My uncle gets ahead in line; shoppers got sore.
One of them called him, and then two more,
Accused him of cheatin'; Oh no, it couldn't be.
I know my uncle, he's as honest as me,
And I'm as honest as a Denver man can be.
One of them shoppers, he starts to draw (I think),
And I shot him down, Lord he never saw.
Shot me another, oh damn he won't grow old ...



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Poster: user unknown Date: Jul 21, 2012 9:08am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: the dark knight

Oh we have our fair share of concealed too. Some are even registered and legally concealed.

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Poster: obamadocuments Date: Jul 21, 2012 8:09am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: the dark knight

Here is some collected info on the "Batman shooting" which is rather eye-opening:

The James E Holmes Movie Theater ('Batman') Massacre - Research Package v1 (20 July 2012)


Colorado "Batman Shooting" Obvious Signs of Being Staged


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Poster: ColdRain108 Date: Jul 21, 2012 11:03am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: the dark knight

So you agree that our government is (always has been) willing to "sacrifice" a few (3500) of its citizens to promote special interest policies? Regardless of political affiliation...see that is the sticking point...in most people's prespective only the "Other Ones" do this...what happens when both sides are the "Other Ones"?

I always though that Deadheads could see through this BS and that was why we generally stayed out of the political circus.

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Poster: DeadATL Date: Jul 21, 2012 7:38am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: the dark knight

User Unknown - you took the words right out of my mouth. As a native Georgian I've been surrounded by responsible gun owners all my life. In fact, one of my friends is an gunsmith. These types of folks do not frighten me AT ALL.

On the other hand, I've had one scary experience with a gun owner. I accidentally cut off a car while changing lanes and the thug driver brandished a pistol. It seemed clear he wasn't going to shoot me, but I would have preferred the the more classic "bird."

This post was modified by DeadATL on 2012-07-21 14:35:17

This post was modified by DeadATL on 2012-07-21 14:38:48

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Poster: pdm59 Date: Jul 20, 2012 9:44pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: the dark knight

Guns are only one weapon of choice. The issue is an individual or group planning to harm others for whatever reason. Law enforcement usually comes into play after an event not before. I don't own a gun. I fear and respect the abilities of the hardware. I agree that criminals will always have access to guns no matter the controls in place. Again, law enforcement usually comes into play after an event not before.
Feel free to exchange gun with nerve toxins, pipe bombs, chemicals from under the sink, ... etc.
Humans have a dark side and anyone with an ounce of imagination can wreak havoc at will.
Live in fear or just live.
2 measly cents worth in a post.

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Poster: snow_and_rain Date: Jul 20, 2012 10:06am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: the dark knight

You go, Florida! STAND YOUR GROUND!